Ep 249. - How Prophet Muhammad (SAW) Mastered Strategy | Dr. Tareq Al-Suwaidan
This is probably the most important podcast episode you'll listen to. Dr Tareq Suwaidan offers a masterclass on the seera, the biography of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) – like you've never heard before. The Messenger of Allah was a master strategist – someone who thought carefully about his aims and planned his course of action thoroughly. I promise you, you'll want to watch this episode many times.
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Introduction
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Most people are cowards. So whoever rules them, they will accept. At the time of the prophet
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sallall alaihi wasallam, most of the companions were under 20. That's amazing. So our hope is in
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the young generation. I want to today talk about the strategic aspects of the s or rather how the
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s teaches us to think strategically as a Muslim um. So they were surrounding Arabia from all sides
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except the west which is Ethiopia. So he sends them there. He needed leaders not only oppressed
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people. This what we call in strategic planning plan B. This is probably the most important
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podcast episode you will listen to. Dr. Tyreek Sedan offers a masterclass on Bas the biography
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of the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam like you've never heard it before. We know that
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in Medina the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam established what today we could use uh the term
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a state a government. How much was statethood an objective of the prophet? So let's analyze this.
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See, see this is the difference of reading S as a story or reading SA with an analytical eye. I'm at
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the prophetic strategy summit here in Koala Lumpa. The summit is looking to build a global community
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of Muslim change makers and I'm here with Dr. Tar Suede Dan. Dr. Taramu allaykumah and welcome back
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to the thinking Muslim. Thank you for inviting me and um thank you for the last podcast that I did
The Prophetic Summit
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with you. I people talk about it all over the world. Whenever I talk to somebody who doesn't
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speak Arabic, they tell me we we started knowing you through the thinking Muslim. So thank you for
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that. And uh yes we are at the global summit prophetic summit and it it is really one of
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the best summits or or conferences that I ever uh attended in my life really not only for the
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quality of speakers and uh and uh titles program but also for the quality of the audience. Yes,
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the audience have been chosen and uh every one of them is a leader of a project or
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um a motivator or a scholar. every one of them I in in the years that I attended hundreds of
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uh programs this is the highest level of audience that I ever had really whether it's in Arabic or
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any or in English really high and I I know this because in the last summit and started also on
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this summit I meet many of them p personally onetoone and the more I meet the more impressed
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I am really so let me say something before we start Yes. Alhamdulillah, I finished more than
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50 years in da'ah. In in any society, we can divide the young people into three kinds. Some
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who are good. Yeah. Some who are bad and those who are in the middle. The bad are very bad. And
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they that not only bad but they try to worsen our situation. And the good is mashallah are really
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good. Yeah. The way we see the future is that it is not the middle who determine our future. It
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is who among these extreme parts which is usually one 2% only would be able to overcome the other.
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Now if we train these people well they can overcome the others really easy
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in in more than 50 years of dawa I have never seen a better generation than the present one
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that's allah really amazing really I and let me say something else also I I trained in in
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the east and the west from Australia to America and every country almost of the Arab world those
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who come from the west or live in the west are the highest among the youth really so you have
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a duty in your generation and the generation after that to know this I'm telling you this
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not not as a motivational speaker I don't do that I'm I'm talking to you as a trainer of leadersh.
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You should understand your quality because you many people don't and don't understand how good
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they are. And you should understand something else that you are the leaders. Islam will not
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come from the west. That is not true. But those who live in the west, if they can lead the east,
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then the east will rise. So I hope I hope that you understand and your generation do understand
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the the high quality you are in and the high opportunity that you have and the responsibility
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that comes with it. So I hope in this message through you inshallah will reach the world. And
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uh let me finish with uh two statements that are statistical. If we can train well 2% of
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the youth only 2% we will overcome the rest really and in any civilization in any country
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in the whole world and this is not by me this is research and statist statistics around the west
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if three and a half% of any society rise against oppression change is will happen without doubt.
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So many people think that we have a we have to change the whole society and it's not true. See
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most people are cowards. So whoever rules them they will accept. So all you need is 2% that's
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all. I believe that we have reached close to one and a half%. So we are not far away from
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from real change inshallah that would lead the ummah towards a futurei civilization
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and I want to pose the question to you why should we keep up with the news media if almost all of it
New Youth Channel
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is falsehood and disinformation. I think the issue has less to do with information that's out there and more how do you interpret that information. Man is on the religion of his companions. If
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his companions are those who are interested in the affairs of the um you will naturally become a man of the um you'll be able to speak about Pakistan despite not being Pakistani. You will
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speak about Kashmir though you're not Kashmir. I know it because I'm a man of the um because my network are people of the um the Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. If he's your brother,
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you check in on your brother. You ask about your brother. How many of the youth go and learn about the history of these places? How do you know that you're going to live like tomorrow?
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Well, that's really heartening because of course when we see our situation today, we often feel that we are in a very very bleak situation as a Muslim um so it's very
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uh good to hear from you and very reassuring to hear that we have a generation that is
Our worst situation?
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uh inshallah developing something which will bear fruit uh sometime in the future in I studied in in
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my study of history. Yeah, this we are not in the worst situation really. We have been through worse
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than this so many times in Alandaloo. We were far worse in the time of the crusaders. We were
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far worse in the time of the Mogul occupation of Baghdad. We were far worse. Far worse. Even in the
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in the new struggles that we have seen. Yeah. in Algeria. The struggle in Algeria continued
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for 140 years and they had 1.5 martyrs. But at the end, if you continue your struggle,
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you will win. Yeah. So no matter how long it took, the crusaders, our struggle with them
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took 200 years, but at the end we prevailed. So don't don't lose hope. Yeah. Because again, even
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in the time of crusaders with all their power, which is the whole power of Europe at that time,
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at the at the end we prevailed. Even in the time of the muggles which were the strongest army in
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the whole world, we prevailed. So we are not in the worst situation. We have been through
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worse. Yes. And we prevailed. So wall I have no doubt that we will prevail because I see young
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men and women who are determined to revive Islam and that will happen in so I want to today talk
Strategy of Seerah
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about uh the strategic aspects of the s or rather how the s uh uh teaches us to think strategically
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as as a Muslim um but as you you talk about the young generation here um recently I did a
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a very crude study and I I suspect you will pick holes in my conclusion but very crude study into
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the average age of the Sahaba at the time of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Okay. So I I I tried to find maybe 30 40 50 Sahaba and their ages or their rough ages and I put it into
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chat GTP. Okay. And came up with an average and the average was surprised me. It was early 20s.
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uh I'm not sure how accurate it was obviously not a a scholarly study but I was trying to
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understand and that really surprised me that around the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam these were young men and women these were not elderly people the elderly were the
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um uh aberrations possibly rather than the norm um I suppose my question here is that let
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me comment on this I did the same study but not with GBT because of my research on serum Yes. Uh,
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no. I would say it's younger than that. Really? Yes. At the time of the prophet sallallahu alaihi
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wasallam, most of the companions were under 20. Subhan Allah. But do you talk about they were 16
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17 was 18. Yeah. Uh you talk about see the the the eldest among them. Yes. Was Abu Bakr who was 38.
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Yeah. But the next one would be Omar and he was 28 and the rest were younger than that. Younger than
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20. So if you take the whole average it would be close to 20 or even less than that. Yeah. So yes,
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it's a it's a nice study and um there are um this study has been done by some of Muslim historians,
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right? And they ended with this statement which is a famous statement.
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Really all of this is the the companions of the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam
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were young. So that's amazing. So our hope is in the young generation. And so what amazed
Moulding of Sahabah
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me was um with that context within what 13 years of Mecca and and 10 years of of Medina,
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these were the same people who were ambassadors and uh military generals and statesmen and
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uh governors of of communities. So something the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam did in
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Mecca to these very young uh Shabbab really young Sahaba turned them into international statesmen
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and people of of quality. uh talk to that please. What is it that the prophet sallallaihi wasallam
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did and was it deliberate? First of all, not all of them became No. Okay. Yeah.
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Small statistics on this. Yes. When the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam made Hajj which is four four months before his death. Yeah.
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Those who made Hajj with him were 114,000. Really? And these are not all the Muslims.
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Of course, these were those who made Hajj. Now statistically we have collected all the names
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of the Sahabah mentioned anywhere in S in books of hadith. Even the hadith that is not accepted.
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And the total number that of all Sahaba that we know anything about and some of them we
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know only their names is 2500. Wow. So not all Sahaba became leaders and so now let's
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talk those who were in Mecca. Yes. First of all they were the number was very little in the 13
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years. Those who accepted Islam were 150 and 83 in Habasha in Ethiopia. So maximum maximum
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the historians talk about is 300. So you take 300 people. Yeah. And you train them daily for
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13 years by the best trainer in history. So what do you expect now? So the rules and the
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laws and so on that came later on. Yes. But 13 years what were they doing? What I mean
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there is no Hajj there is no there's no zakat there's no rulings. There were two things only
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faith and ethics. Yeah. It was the whole thing. So he taught them that well and they were very
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ethical, very faithful. when uh Jaffar talks with a nashi he said tell me about your dean so
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he takes he talks about Allah and the prophet and ethics yes so that is short and there's nothing
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much to teach what did they spend the rest of their time they spend it with the prophet
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sallallaihi wasallam not learning but watching Right. Watching the prophet sallallahu alaihi
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wasallam was trained to be a leader. By the way, many people don't know that. Yeah. The best way
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to train leaders. The best way is from young age to make them in touch with leaders and to
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make them watch what leaders do and how do leaders talk. That is the best way. So I'll let I'll tell
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you a little story. The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam between the age of six and 8 lived with
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his grandfather Abdul Muttalib. Now Abdul Mutalib was the leader of Makkah which was the leader of
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all the Arabs. After Abdul Muttalib there was a dispute who will lead Makkah and they did not
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agree. M but at the time of Abd was the one. So he was leading Makkah he had 10 children 10 boys
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six girls. The 10 boys one of them died which was the father of the prophet sallallahu alaihi
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wasallam. So nine so they made a custom that at that time there was no masid that's just alaba
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and and empty space around it. And by the way, we did this when we were young because it's so
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hot and there's no air condition and so we wait until before m Yeah. And then we put uh some rugs
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in in the street and we sit and we just throw some water around us to cool down. So the Meccans did
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that and each tribe or subtribe would put their own rug. So the children of Abdul Mutalib made
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a law that nobody sits before Abdul Mutalib sit right. Okay. So they were standing nine of them
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were standing around his rug around his carpet and the whole of Quraysh would stand waiting for him
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to come and sit. Yes. The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam was sneaking and sitting on
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that carpet. So they would pull him and every day he would sneak and sit on the carpet and
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his uncles would pull him. Yes. Until one day Abdul Mutalib saw them. So he came and asked,
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"Why are you pulling him out?" Yeah. What's going on? So they said, "We don't allow anyone to sit
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before you." And this boy wants to sit before you. So So he said, "Let him let him sit, my son.
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is a leader and one day he would have an effect on all of the world. This is the words of Abdul
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Muttalib. Huh? So what happened after that? He used to sit on the carpet of Abd Mutalib
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every day. Who would come to Abd Mutalib? Not only leaders of Arab tribes but also delegates
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from Rome and from Persia and from Habasha. This is the leader of all the Arabs. So whatever they
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need from Arabia, they would discuss it with Abd Mutalib. The prophet sallall alaihi wasallam was
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trained daily by the master of Arabia on how to lead. So this is just an example of leadership.
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Briefly, what made Abdul Mutalib the master of Arabia? It was agreed by the Arabs since they were
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idol worshippers to take one of the idols they worship. Every tribe worshiped several gods. So
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they take one of their gods and put it inside Cabba or around Cabba. So inside and or around
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Cababa there were 360 idols right and they made an agreement with Quraysh this is far
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before Abdut that we will protect you and protect your trade if you protect our gods right so with
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that was in charge of all the idols that all the Arabs worshiped and got the protection So
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that made them very honorable for all the Arabs. So that is why they considered say they did not
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lead in the sense that they can give them orders but they led in the sense that this is the honor
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that you are the the chair of the of the Arabs although you don't have power to say what they do.
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have pelvic floor disorders. I've spent my time also doing some cescareian sections, but mostly
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teaching and working with the physicians here and the young residents and junior doctors.
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Embry Salemi is an American doctor working in Gaza for the past 3 weeks. I have seen so
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much malnutrition here. She says many patients struggle to fight off infections and heal from
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serious injuries because they're starving. I've seen it in the pregnancies that we see.
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I've seen it in the babies that come out. I've seen it walking through the emergency room with the kids and the men and women. So, I see it everywhere. I see it in the staff who every
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day talk about how hungry they are and they still again show up for work. It's amazing.
Planning of Seerah
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Fantastic. Um now you have called for an evaluation of the sirra uh with a particular
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emphasis on learning lessons about strategic thinking and about planning. Um explain this
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like it it seems to me I've now listened to a number of your talks. Alhamdulillah you gave a fantastic presentation today and it seems to me uh Dr. uh Suan that you feel there there is something
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missing in our reading of Islam actually or at least the s the biography of the prophet
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sallallahu alaihi wasallam explain that that to me please. Yeah. And I did a huge research on
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Sierra. Yeah. The first um the first full course I taught on Sierra. Yeah. Was in 1982. Right. And
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since then I have been researching Sira. Sure. I I have written um the encyclopedia of the s of
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the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam which is six volumes and I taught the whole s and recorded it
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seven times and every time I correct it later on um the first versions were not strategic frankly
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but later on when I learned about strategy and I wrote several strategic plans and
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uh wrote strategic books and so on. The more I write, the more I teach, I see this in this
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of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam really and later on um uh one of my dear dearest friends
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Dr. Wbah he published a book in Arabic and in English and I think other languages too called
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the first spring. He is much better than me in teaching strategy, right? Cuz that's his
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political specialty. I we teach strategy from a management point of view. He teaches it from
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geopolitical and political point of view, right? Which is more relevant to the SE by the way.
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So also from what I learned from him. Yeah. So I put this all together and started to analyze sir
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from a strategy point of view from leadership training and how he trained the companions and
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also from decision making because we teach very deep methods of uh decision making like mini max,
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maximax, bfly and so on. And most people don't know this. And also of course most teachers of
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of Sira don't know this. So let let me give you a small example here not related to strategy. I will
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give you an example to relate to leadership but you can ask questions about strategy in Sierra if
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you want. the the the longest and deepest study in leadership is the one done by causes and pausner
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and it was published in a book very famous leadership books uh and I advise everyone to
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read it by the way it's uh called the leadership challenge okay this the first publication was done
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after they did the research for 27 years and they interviewed more than 1 million people really in
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all countries in all continents. So they published the results in in that book. One of the questions
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they asked is what are the characteristics of the leader that you wish to follow willingly
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and every country in the world every year was the same answer for the number one spot and that
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is credibility. So they published their second book which also I advise to read. It's called
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credibility. Now in that book they define credibility as trustworthy truthtelling.
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So for those who read s without without knowing this now if they read for example that the prophet
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sallall alaihi wasallam was called before the message the courageous the generous. Yeah they
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would not feel any difference. I mean these are good all good qualities. Yes. Why specifically?
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Because that is what people look for in a leader more than any other characteristics. It comes
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before vision. It comes before motivation. It comes before intelligence and it comes before
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competence, credibility. So now we understand sir differently because we have the research to show
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it also we have the research in strategy and the s is full of strategy. Dr. Suedan
Revelation
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uh it's often the case that when we think about the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam s we
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and the prophet wasallam's message uh we think that and we we believe and of course we we must
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believe this that he sallallahu alaihi wasallam is guided by Allah subhana wa ta'ala. So in many ways
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uh the s is really a book of revelation. It's a book of of uh the a biography of of a of
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the greatest man uh that uh has lived but this greatest man is being is constantly uh seeking
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or gaining revelation from Allah subhanaa tala. Now maybe this is not a a profound point to make
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or maybe it is but I get the impression when you speak about prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
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you're separating maybe aspects which are from revelation but also aspects which are strategic
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that the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam is now utilizing this revelation and thinking deeply
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about how to how to uh create a space and how to achieve ends within his society. Am I am I
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right in reading that? Uh let me say something that is I think very important to understand. Sarah the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam had many roles. Right. He was a prophet. Mhm. Passing
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a message. Yeah. But he was also a leader of a country. Yeah. Uh he was a d he was a judge. He
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was a military man and he was a consultant. and he was a family man. So my teacher Muhammad Ashkar,
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Dr. Muhammad Alaskar, really great man did a study on this and he he did his PhD on this and
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that is the actions. This is the name of his book and unfortunately not not translated but really
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important yeah to be translated and understood. So I I learned this from him. It's called the actions
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of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Not the sayings, the actions of the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam and their interpretation and effect on uh Sharia. M. So long story short,
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the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam because he acted on all of these rules roles, I would say
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revelation and guidance directly by wahi affected only 5% of his actions. Wow. Okay. Most of it was
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a human decisions. Really human actions. Give you an example. Zuber, one of the great companions had
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a garden in Medina. His garden is a field was next to a garden for for one of the Ansar. The land was
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higher for Zubir in Mecca and in Kuwait and other places. And also it's a desert, but when it rains,
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it really rains. Mhm. And it becomes a flood. I have seen it so many times to the level that
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I could not pass it. How this is how strong it is and how wide it is. It's a river. Yes. But it
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it it comes certain months and then disappears the rest of the year. Yeah. So we collect the water as
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much as we can because we lack water. So Azubir built a dam in his land and all the water that
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came down he would collect it for his phone and al Ansari got nothing. So he went and complained
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to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam that Zuber did that this and this is in Bkari by the way. So he did this and this and so the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam called for zubir and he
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said zubir your brother lacks water you have collected all the water for yourself so take
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what you need and let the rest pass. So and listen to this very carefully. As Juber said,
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are you ordering or are you advising? See the companions understood that he has so many roles,
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right? Mund is this a revelation or is this war tactics? Yeah. So when when do they ask? When they
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cannot tell. Yes. So the story is very interesting by the way. So the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam
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said I am advising. So auber said wallah I will not do it. He refused the advice of the prophet
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sallall alaihi wasallam because it's an advice. He's not a judge. He's not acting as a messenger.
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He's advising I have the right not to accept the advice. Yes. So then this is the continuation of
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the hadith. Then the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam said then I will rule. Now he's
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changing his role into a judge a zuber. You are allowed to build a dam that is one palm
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high and then you have to let the rest pass to your brother. So at that case Zuber did this
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another quick example nice example there was a slave two slaves a woman and a man
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who were married. The woman was freed when this case happens. Both Muslims when this case happened then the
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free woman has the right to continue with her husband or not. So she decided not to.
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Her husband loves her so much. So he asked her to come back to him. She refused. So he went
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and complained to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. So the her name is Bira.
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So he called Barira and she he said go back to your husband. She said are you ordering
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or you're advising? He said I advise you. He said she said I would wall I would never do it.
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And the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam did not do anything. He was advising his advice was
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refused. And we imagine that whatever he says people will follow. That is not the case. They
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will ask what what is your role in this case. Give you last example which is very important.
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The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and this is in Bkari also. The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam one year after Hajj or during Hajj said when you slaughter your animals you are allowed
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to eat from them only 3 days. The rest you have to give as charity. You cannot preserve meat more
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than 3 days. This is in Bkari. Now if anyone reads this hadith will say this is the law.
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You cannot preserve your meat more than 3 days. So that is one hadith. But there is another hadith
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where a man came also in Bkari where a man came to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and said,
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"Oh prophet of Allah, last year you allowed us to preserve meat only for three days. Can we do
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you allow us to preserve more than three days this year?" He said, "I ordered you last year
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not because it is an Islamic law, but because there was starvation in Arabia and many tribes
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moved and lived around Medina. So I wanted to provide for them. So I gave you that order.
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This year there's no trans starvation. So you can eat and preserve as long as you want. Yeah. So what does that tell you? When he gave the first order,
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was it halal and haram law? It wasn't. He was acting as a leader of a country which has a
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starvation. And this is one way to solve the starvation. And he solved it using that law.
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But it not it is not a law for us today for example unless there is starvation around us
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and we have to feed them. So for example in the case of Gaza if they allow uh the human help we
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should it is our it is our duty they we cannot allow that they don't eat and we eat and some
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people think it's you your duty is only for those next to you. The prophet sallallam did it for all
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the Arabs who were starving. Omar in his time also there was starvation and he ordered Egypt
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to provide for them. So this is Islam looks at the strategic point of view. So many people took
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these issues as Islamic law or not. It's not. You have to look at the strategic point of view.
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You have to look at the geopolitical point of view and human needs and so that's how Islam looks and
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this is in everything that the prophet sallallaihi wasallam you see it very clearly when you talk
Geopolitical situation
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about vas you also discuss how it is important to evaluate the prophetat wasam's life in the
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context of the geopolitical situation in which the prophethood arise uh had arisen so Makkah
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uh was a a a relatively rich city. In fact, I think you argue it's a very rich city.
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And um it was rich because it took advantage of the political situation uh and the economic
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situation at the time. And and the Silk Road in particular is quite important to some of the uh
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uh some of the actions of the prophet sallallaihi wasallam when he uh when he um uh interacted with
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Quresh. Explain the relevance of the silk road in understanding vas. In short, the silk road goes
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from China all the way to Europe. Yeah. Branches of it comes from India and other places and a
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major branch comes from uh Africa through Adam and from Aden they moved by by ships to Gaza,
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right? to Elat and then by by road by land to Gaza and the whole thing moves to Europe. So
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it was the major road for uh for politics meaning move movement of armies and wars and so on major
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road in the whole world and trade and spies and refugees. Yeah. Then the war between the Romans
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and the Persians happened which was the longest war in history 700 years and they the Persians
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cut the road and tried to deprive uh Europe from trade and they did then the it's a long story. So
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the the Europeans created the marine road by ships from China to India to the Arabian Gulf and then
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everything will be done left uh the merchandise in Adan Yemen and then from Aden the Roman ships
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would come through the Red Sea and take it to Europe. Yeah. And the major polls were Aden, Elat,
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which is southern Palestine, occupied Palestine and um and uh Gaza. Yeah. And these three cities
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were very rich because of that because these are the major roads for uh trade. Of course, the
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northern road, the major city was stumble. Okay. When the Persians occupied this, they cut the road
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and then they occupied Yemen and they also cut the road, the marine road. So the Europeans were
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re were really in major trouble. Abdul Manf the great grandfather of the prophet sallallahu alaihi
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wasallam was a small merchant moving with few few camels in Arabia. He could move freely because of
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what we said the Arabs protected Quraysh and the Quraysh protected their idols. Nobody else
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in Arabia can move freely because of the attacks by uh tribes. So he moved freely because of this
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agreement. He noticed that merchandise in Adan were very cheap and Gaza were very very rich.
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So a long story. He created the land road and they would take the merchandise from Yemen and
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leave it in Mecca and then few months later his brothers will take it from Mecca and turn
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it take it to Gaza. Why is why was this? Because the Persians would not allow any merchant to take
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it from Adam to Gaza. So they made this trick and this is mentioned in the Quran. The treaty of the
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treaty of Quraysh with the Romans and the Pers the Habashi also to move freely in their landl
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and the Quran says it's not it's one trip it's not two. Why is it? because it was it
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was a trick by Abd Abdmanav he will take it from Adam leave it in Gaza in Mecca and then
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few months later his brothers will take it so that the Persians would not notice cuz they don't allow it and it worked with that the major cities for trade now became
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Adan Mecca and Gaza of course with Istanbul so this way Makkah became very very rich.
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So there are stories, detailed stories about how rich they were. Uh how they have chefs,
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they had slaves and by by the way slavery became the major trade about three three4s of
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the economy of Arabia was based on slave trading between Africa and Europe. Right? using this new
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uh silk road which is they call now the the land silk road. So anyway, so when Islam came
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these people were very rich. Had no problem with anyone believing in Allah. The prophet
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believed in Allah alone for 40 years. They had no trouble with that. And I mentioned several names.
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They all worshiped one God. Quraysh had no problem with that. So what created the whole
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problem between Muslims and Quraysh? It it is the message ofahill. See it's different
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than saying Allah is one. Allah is one is fine because many people mixed withahill.
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So they think is believing in one god. That has no effect for anyone. It's your personal
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choice. But when you say what does that mean? It means that you have to destroy all of these
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idols. Now if you destroy all of these idols will have no protection anymore. So if they have no
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protection anymore, they cannot move freely. See take the example of Abu Sufyan in better.
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He was le he was leading a caravan 1,200 camels. How many people with it? Only 40. It shows how
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much safe they were at the time when some of the tribes would attack each other. They they moved
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freely because of that treaty alaf. It's called al-. So u so now the prophet sallallaihi wasallam
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is sending them or giving them a message that you must destroy all of these gods. That is a
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strategic difference in vision and in values and strategic danger on everything that has.
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And that is why one of the bad ones came to the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam and he said what
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is your message and he saidahill he immediately said this is how much they understood the danger
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of this message he immediately said this is a bedin but he know knows Arabic pure Arabic he
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said then all the Arabs and non-Arabs will fight you so they understood how strategic this issue
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So uh this is just one example of re analyzing SAR with geopolitics with politics with internal
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politics. We call it in strategic planning we call it pest. So you understand the political
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economical social and technical world inside your country and outside. And that was very clear in
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Syria. By the way, yeah, many people think and wrongly that it developed with time. Meaning that
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the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam had no intention of fighting anyone. In the beginning,
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his message was pure peace and only religious. Yeah, that is not true. It was a declaration
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of war from day one. No, and I'll show you this very clearly in the Quran. Surah al-M
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was among the first suras of the Quran. What is Al? It is when the prophet sallall alaihi
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wasallam came from after and then he went to his bed and was covered
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and the khad relieved him. So al is the covered one. Yeah. Okay. So clearly this
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is a surah in in the early Islam very early Islam. In that surah Allahh says
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Allah knows that among you will be those who are sick
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and those who move for travel uh for trade
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and others who fight for the sake of Allah. So it did not develop later on. It was a
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declar Allah says they they fight. So it is not jihad in the sense of and so on. Allah
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says it's not because can be translated as struggle with yourself. But in Arabic is very
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clear. It is war. It is fighting. And this is in the in the first suras of the Quran.
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So the the idea of having a strategic vision, strategic change by force even is very clear
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from day one. So let let me ask you about that because of course um there is a uh a tension
Quraysh
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between the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and the authorities of Mecca of Quresh right but
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but it seems to me that you're arguing that the prophet sallallah wasallam had greater plans.
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Croesh in this sense was just an impediment an immediate challenge but uh the Arab tribes in
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the Arabian Peninsula uh was also on the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam's uh thinking at the very
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early stages if not the great empires of the Persians and the Romans and beyond. How much
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did the prophet sallallaihi wasallam in in this context of of seeking to uh create a a space and
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a dominance for the Islamic religion? How much did the prophet sallallaihi wasallam uh at the very
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early stages consider the Persians and the Romans as the two big uh empires? Year five not of Hijra,
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year five of Islam, right? The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam sends the Muslims to Ethiopia.
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Yes. Why? So the books of S tell you it is because they were oppressed. So let's analyze this. See,
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see this is the difference of reading S as a story or reading SR with an analytical eye,
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right? Strategic eye. So let's look at this. They were sent because they were oppressed. Okay,
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so let's see. The first one and this is in Muslim. The first one to migrate was Oman
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was never touched, never oppressed. Why would he migrate
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was the leader of the Muslims who migrated? Yes, he was the one negotiating with the
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Nashi. Jaffur was never touched. He is the son of Abu Talib who protects the prophet
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sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Yes, he would pro protect his nephew and not protect his own son.
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Jaffer was never touched. There are so many that were never touched. Yeah. Give you more
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details. If they were sent because they were oppressed, why didn't he bring them back when
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he started his Islamic state in Medina? In Medina. It takes from Habasha to Medina at
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that time 5 days. Why would they stay seven years? They came at the time of the prophet.
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I don't know which makes me more happier
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the conqueror of or the coming of Jaffer. So it's very clear when they when he came he he and the
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Muslims in Habasha came at year seven why would they stay seven years and another question by the
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way 83 Muslims of the best Muslims stay in Habasha 15 years no one embraces Islam except isn't that
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strange final question the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam sends these Muslims to Habasha
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and then he starts to look for another place to migrate to. Why doesn't he migrate to Habasha?
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So there is something happening here. So we read the story and just we pass by. What is going on
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geopolitically? Look at Arabia. Arabia at that time. On the east is Persia, in the northeast is
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Persia and farther of also northeast in in one side is is Iraq and in other side the Bushan.
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So all under the control of Persia and then they took over Yemen and they had an alliance
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with Oman. So from all sides the Persians are surrounding Arabia. Then the Quran tells us
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the Romans were defeated by the Persians in this long story long uh war between them. The
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Persians conquered the Romans. What what is the Quran talking about? The Romans con the Roman
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Empire. They control Europe, most of Europe, not all of it. And they control Syria and surrounding
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Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon. Yeah. And they control Egypt and North Africa. All under the Roman
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Empire. Yeah. They have three capitals. Stumbul, Damascus, and Alexandria. Istanbul controls
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Europe. Damascus control all of their areas in the east. and Alexandria controls North Africa.
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The Persians were able to take over Damascus and they took their religious capital which is also
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surrounding Arabia from all sides except the west which is Ethiopia. So he sends them there. So he
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he needed leaders not only oppressed people. So he sent the oppressed but he sends leaders. This what
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we call in strategic planning plan B. Right? What if when he declares because he is going to declare
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war on the empires, the Persians surrounding Arabia from all sides will attack Arabia from all
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sides. This could crush Islam, especially with the weakness of Islam. And we're talking the greatest
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empire in the whole world. Yeah. So that's how much danger there is. So he sends them there.
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What happened? By the way, this is a long story and many details that are very important but for
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the time limitation we jump. So he had internal struggle and global struggle internal struggle
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with Quraysh global struggle with Ethiop with the Persians because they were the major danger.
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Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam goes through the struggle with Quraysh after he says something.
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This is this is the day when Qur retreated the same day he said very famously he said
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from now on we will attack Quray they will never attack us. So there is a major change
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in the internal struggle that they tried their best surrounded Mecca for Medina
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for one month with all the Arab tribes that are with them and they failed. So
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they cannot do anymore. And by the way the only only 300 men kept fighting with the
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prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and still Qur could not win. So now it's our turn.
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So that changes the internal struggle. But the external struggle did not change
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yet until and the Quran also says that about the Romans the Romans were defeated.
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I'm taking sure parts of the eyes. Yes, they will prevail in few years.
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Can the word few in Arabic means between three and nine this is this is language
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now so few is not open for for say 15 years or so it's only between three
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and nine so exactly 9 years after they were defeated they reclaimed Syria and Alexandria
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So now a little part of Islam is relieved but they conquered a I mean the struggle was
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going on. We don't know what will happen. And then they were able the the Romans to conquer
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Persia until they reached the capital of the Persians which is called Al Madan in Iraq.
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So the Persians made a treaty with the Romans. Anyway, it's a long story.
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So now Islam is not surrounded by one power. See, when you have two powers,
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you are not afraid as having one power. Yeah. Okay. Because you can be an ally of one against
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the other. But if you have one power, what would you do? A bipolar word. Yes. Exactly. So when when
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um when the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam made a treaty with Quraysh which is year six
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now Islam internally is relieved and globally the pressure is less. Yeah. So after he sends
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for al Muslims in Habasha he took few months to make sure that the treaty is going on and then
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we enter year seven. So he sends to them come and that's why they came because no need for plan B
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there is no internal danger there is no external danger. So that's how we understand the strategic
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vision of the prophet. That's really really profound I think in in understanding because of course the books of sir that I've read uh all indicate that you know it was an act of
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desperation and it was fear and but it doesn't make sense because the people who who went to
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uh to to other the problem Jal is that they tell a story right but they don't see the vision the
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strategies the leadership training the the art of decision making. So now because we know these
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sciences, we can analyze it better. But I want to understand one thing then about those Muslims who went to Abisa. You mentioned that there was no effective da in in Abisa only only. I'll tell
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you the story. Yeah. And uni it's amazing that most people don't know these stories because it
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doesn't make sense. 83 Muslim best Muslims. Yeah. Not one embraces Islam. M the story behind it is
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you know that Jaffar and his the Muslims came to to Abisia Quresh did not let them. Yes. See
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this that's how that's how dangerous they were for Qur. So they sent a delegation of two men
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and long story they discussed with Nashi. So Nashi was going to send them back. Yeah. And
1:00:03
then they pleaded their case and read the Quran and long story he he did not embrace
1:00:11
Islam openly. He said he drew a line on the ground and he said to Jaffer, "The difference
1:00:19
between our religion and yours, yeah, is not more than this line." That is a very dangerous saying.
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remember or I don't know whether you remember or not but most people don't understand Abbyia.
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Abessinia was ruled by the the religious people. Yeah. Like like Iran today. Okay.
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All scholars of religion, Christian religion. The the greatest scholar among them was Nashi.
1:00:54
Yeah. Himself. the the priests around him ruling alabasha and Africa were called al-bat that's the
1:01:05
title they have so when he said that there's no difference between you and us albatar made a noise
1:01:16
what are you saying so he said I swear by Allah that's no difference even if you are not happy
1:01:25
with this but they were really really unhappy. So the books of S don't tell you what's going on
1:01:32
after that. That night secretly Najashi orders uh one of his uh soldiers to bring to bring Jaffer.
1:01:45
Where was Jaffur? Jaffer and the Muslims settled in a camp next to a river. they they can grow a
1:01:54
agriculture and they have their sheep with them and so on. So that's how they lived. So he came
1:02:00
to him said teach me Islam and Jaffer narrates this later on. So he said I taught him Islam
1:02:08
and he made shahada note of Jaffer and then he said write for me some Quran. So on a piece of
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u I think wood or something because they had no paper at that time he wrote for him some he it
1:02:27
was written not on wood I'm remember now it was written on a skin so he wrote for him that nashi
1:02:34
takes this puts it under his clothes uh on his heart. So next day he orders a meeting with they
1:02:45
come said what is why are you angry said you left our religion said what is your religion they said
1:02:52
we believe in this and that and Jesus the son of god and so on so he said I believe in this too
1:03:00
which was a trick so he's talking about the Quran under his just so they thought that he was with
1:03:08
them but not everyone accepted this said he might be lying. So anyway, so they conspired against him
1:03:17
and went to his cousin said we want you to be the leader and we will support you. So they spread the
1:03:26
news that Nashi left our religion. Others said that he did not. So the army was divided in two.
1:03:34
One of them was with his cousin, the others were with him and they had a war. This war happened in
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the other bank of the river where Muslims left. So they were watching but they could not see. So they
1:03:52
said who would get us the news? So Auber said see we have all the details. So as Zuber said I will.
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So anyway he crossed the river long story and he watched and Nashi won. So he tell them the good
1:04:05
news but Nashi had trouble asked for a meeting with him said all of this war happened because
1:04:15
of these people that you accepted. Yeah you they have to leave and he said no nobody comes to me
1:04:25
and I ask him to leave. So they said then we will accept them on one condition that they don't leave
1:04:35
their camp and no one enters their camp. Right? So really had no choice. So he called Jaffer he said
1:04:44
this is he said I the Jaffa said I will consult with the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam that's
1:04:50
not my decision to make. So he sends to the prophet and it's only 5 days and the message
1:04:55
comes back that it is acceptable. So why did they stay? Not for dawa. It was for if it was for dawa,
1:05:03
people would have embraced Islam. They would have moved in Africa and taught people Islam. They did
1:05:08
not. So why do they why 83 Muslims while the Muslims were so few stay in stay in Africa for
1:05:17
15 years? There is no reason other than this is what we call plan B in strategic planning.
1:05:26
What if Quraysh conquers us? What if Persia attacks Arabia? Then at least we have someone
1:05:33
to continue the message. Yeah. Now when all the dangers are relieved, then he brings them back.
Persia
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And and with the the second part of that question is how um did the prophet sallall
1:05:46
alaihi wasallam have in his mind uh pleasure as a a challenge that he needs to overcome.
1:05:54
sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the future like what was do we have any indications from I told you the
1:05:59
story of banish if he did not consider them a danger if he was not planning to attack them he
1:06:07
should have accepted the offer of banish and he with banish can conquer all the Arabs the prophet
1:06:17
sallall alaihi wasallam conquered Arabia with a lesser army the mu Muslims in their in their
1:06:25
biggest fight were 10,000 when they conquered Mecca. Yes. Banuan by themselves their army
1:06:32
was 30,000. So if he was after conquering Arabia alone, he would have accepted the offer of Benuan.
1:06:40
Yeah. But he had his eye on Persia. So that begs the question then uh the question of statehood.
Statehood
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We know that in Medina the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam established what today we could
1:06:54
use uh the term a state a government there was an authority there were judges there were
1:07:00
commanders of an army you know it looks like and it feels like a state uh how much of that because
1:07:07
sometimes when we read especially modern books of s almost the implication is that he stumbled
1:07:13
into into this situation where he sallallahu alaihi wasallam established a government and it
1:07:18
It was as a result of the persecution. How much was statethood uh an objective of the prophet?
1:07:25
It's very clear from day one. Yeah. Let's let's go back please. Before before Hijra, why did the
1:07:36
prophet sallall alaihi wasallam choose Medina? Yeah. This is what we when we do um say I teach
1:07:43
also uh decision making. Yeah. So when we use the tools of decision making there are many tools one
1:07:52
of them is called we call the decision matrix and one of them is called B rules. Yeah. So what do
1:08:01
we do here? We we study alternatives and what are the benefits and what are the weaknesses of each
1:08:08
alternative and we have by the way calculations and uh equations and although it's a it's a
1:08:14
humanistic many people think of it as humanistic only no it is mathematical also by the way so we
1:08:22
have this message and then we decide that's exactly what the prophet sallallaihi wasallam did al Medina was the best choice among all the Arab tribes Yeah. Why? It was the only tribe, the
1:08:36
only location that had no leader, right? Because of war. There was a war. Yeah. 5 years before the
1:08:44
hijra. Yes. This is mentioned by Sa in Bkari. She says the following. She says the following. This
1:08:53
is in Bkari. Yeah. The war between Al and Alaz. See, Al Medina was divided into three groups. Also
1:09:10
of Medina, they ruled. Yeah. Until 5 years before Hijra, there was a battle between
1:09:18
Al and Al. The battle is called. So says the following says, Allah made the day of
1:09:37
Allah made this war to precede the coming of the prophet sallallaihi wasallam to Medina.
1:09:48
They killed all of their leaders, both tribes. And that battle continued for a few years. Huh?
1:09:55
So all the leaders were killed. So this is a state that is that can support itself
1:10:04
because it is it has agriculture and trade and also uh uh sheep and camels so it can support
1:10:15
itself and no leaders. So the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam sends musab
1:10:23
and they most of them accepted Islam. Yes. So he comes and he has a majority already.
1:10:33
And first day he starts to make rules. Who was challenging him? No one. Yeah.
1:10:41
Absolutely no one. One man was getting ready to be chosen as a leader. His his name is Abu
1:10:51
Abu. The prophet wasallam changed his name into Abu the sinful one. And suddenly this man comes
1:11:04
and rules without consulting him without paying any attention to him. So he was so angry that he
1:11:12
left Medina and lived in Sham in Syria. So this show you that that he is ruling. He's coming to
1:11:22
rule and the only challenger could not do anything but to leave. And then we go and see Medina, the
1:11:34
contractor of Medina. Go and read it. It's a it's a full constitution. I have it in one of my books
1:11:42
showing the articles of and showing that this is all you need to have a constitution. It talks
1:11:52
about politics. It talks about war. It talks about ruling. It talks about economics. All of that.
1:11:59
Yes. And then after what does he do? He builds the masid. Make it the center for everything.
1:12:06
After that, what does he do? There were two major markets in Medina. One for Lanssar and
1:12:15
one for the Jews. But even the one for Alansar was controlled by the Jews. So the prophet sallallaihi
1:12:23
wasallam chooses a new place and he said this is for Muslims only and it is taxfree. Yeah. and he
1:12:35
gives rules for the market. So he's changing the economy, he's changing the politics, he's changing
1:12:40
the army, he's changing the constitution. So what is more to have a state? True. So it is very clear
1:12:47
that he was ruling and he he was making a state. So from everything you've um you've talked about
Strategic mindset
1:12:53
today, it's very clear to me that there is a strategic mindset that the prophet sallall alaihi wasallam uh has and possesses but also he is inculcating the Sahaba with this mindset and he's
1:13:05
developing people who are thinking deeply about their situation and about the future and about
1:13:11
uh positioning Islam in a way in which it gains influence not only in the immediate area but also
1:13:18
in the region and beyond. Yes, of course. I I want to tell you something about this. Yes. Cuz
1:13:23
you mentioned the training of the Sahabah. Yeah. Now, I told you only 5% were revelation, right?
1:13:32
95% was the judgment of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. But not alone. He was consulting
1:13:38
continuously. The Sahabah. Yes. Yeah. Now the two major sahhabies were Abu Bakr and Omar.
1:13:48
And they were called the wazir of the prophet. By the way, the word wazir is the deputy. But
1:13:56
there's something that most people don't know. Abu Bakr and Omar, we know that they have different
1:14:03
personalities. Yeah. But they differed all the time. They never agreed. Huh? To the level that
1:14:13
this is in Sah Muslim. Omar says to Abu Bakr on one issue. Omar said his opinion. Abu Bakr
1:14:21
refused. Said something. By the way, Abu Bakr people think that he was a nice man, weak. He was,
1:14:26
but he was not weak. He was very, very strong. So, Omar, we know he was very strong. But Abu Bakr
1:14:34
would challenge him all the time to the level that one day Omar could not keep to his said
1:14:45
I swear by Allah you have no opinion you just want to differ with me it is even
1:14:53
more than that in Sah Muslim there is a hadith the prophet sallallaihi wasallam
1:14:59
is talking to Abu Bakr and Omar and says the following which is was very strange. He said,
1:15:09
"If you both agree on anything, I I'm with you." So, who follows who? He was He said,
1:15:21
"I swear by Allah that if you would both agree on anything, this is how important they were."
1:15:28
But why? Because they always differed. Yeah. So if they agree on something then it should be good. So
1:15:35
the prophet sallallaihi wasallam said I will not give it my opinion. I agree with you. Is there
1:15:42
more training than that? Yeah. This is see we I we train leaders. So what is more than that? I I
1:15:52
trained prime ministers and I see it in their eyes that when they say see wisdom they immediately
1:16:02
submit and they learn and they love to learn. By the way people think that because they reached
1:16:09
this position they they stopped learning. No no I trained many of them onetoone several years. Okay.
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So that's how he did it. The prophet sallallaihi wasallam is not like us professional trainers.
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Yeah. He was a professional daily training. He was daily they were with him. Huh? Not a day that he
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they missed to be with him whether in peace or on war. What is more training than that? So he
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was training them to be leaders and to take over. I know we have to tie this conversation and bring
Revolutionise?
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it to an end. Uh but uh I I need to um it it you know it from where I'm sitting um you're trying to
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almost revolutionize the way the Muslim um views its its history views its era in order to produce
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a different type of thinking in today's generation a strategic mindset a long-term mindset so that we
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can deal with some of the intractable problems like Gaza like the other problems that we face
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um I suppose So many of our viewers will appreciate the level of depth and a level of
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uh understanding or evaluation of the era that you've brought to the table and in in many of
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your in your books. Uh but how does one there are many young people who listen to and watch this
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show. How does one uh begin this journey of uh revitalizing their mindsets and and reorientating
1:17:39
their mindset so that they live a life worth living rather than a life that is sometimes uh
1:17:45
neoliberal you know capitalist you worthless in a in a in a uh din in an Islamic sense and actually
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start to apply their talents and expertise towards this very great strategic goals that Islam sets.
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us. Nice question. Deep question. First of all, it is not me. This revolution uh of understanding
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SA in in depth by the way was there in the in the early books. It was there really. And then
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when people started to tell us the sir as a story and they took aside these stories that they said
1:18:31
thought they were irre irrelevant. Yeah. Yes. They are irrelevant if you don't see the bigger
1:18:36
picture. So first of all I would advise strongly if the people are interested in the strategic part
1:18:42
and the ge geopolitical part definitely read for right is much deeper than me on this and his book
1:18:50
is if you want to see a book that really revolates the s it would be the first spring by Mhm. Now my
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book on sir u six volumes I summarized it into one volume right and this one volume is now
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being translated into English and then we will open it also for translation to all languages.
1:19:14
Yeah and it has all of that into it. So if they if you want just to understand then read these
1:19:20
books. And now if you want to be deeper into this then you must be trained on strategic planning on
1:19:27
decision making. Yeah. On uh leadership and then um not only uh read but trained. Yeah. So when
1:19:36
you when you're trained all of that and you have the understanding of the s then you can combine
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them and have a deeper thing. Now you mentioned something that if it is related to personal life
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and all our beloved audience. Our life is too short.
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Say his age was he Allah prescribed his age as 60. And then when Allah subhana wa ta'ala
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collected all the uh uh children of Adam and they surrounded him, he saw one man,
1:20:19
one child with a a bright u forehead. Yeah. So he asked Allah, "Who is this?" He said,
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"This is your descendant Dut." And he said, "How long is his age?" I know now he's he
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will be born but how how long he will he live he said he will live 60 said poor man it's too
1:20:46
short give him 40 years of mine and this is in the hadith so he lived 100 but he considered a
1:20:57
man that is 60 as a young man so when now we consider somebody who lives 100 they put they
1:21:07
write articles about him. Yeah. So what I'm saying is our life wallah is short. You can
1:21:13
live for yourself. But you will have no effect in history. And the prophet wasallam tells us
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that if you die no more you will get unless you leave something. What will you leave?
1:21:30
either which is or children that are good that will pray for you. Yeah. But what you leave
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even better than all of that more lasting that than that is look at the saying of the prophet
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knowledge that people will benefit from. M. So if you learn no much, no matter how much you learn,
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it does not count when you die unless you pass it to others that will benefit from it. Yeah.
1:22:08
You pass it as training, you pass it as a book, you pack it, you pass it as a podcast, it doesn't
1:22:14
matter. You pass it then it will continue after you. Now the question to our audience,
1:22:21
what will you leave behind you? What will continue your hassanat after you die? Plan for that. That
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is strategic. Don't be operational living for yourself and only for your life. So that's how
1:22:39
you look at strategic life planning. Dr. Taran, I think that's really really good. And if if someone
1:22:45
wanted to attend uh any of your live sessions, um how can they do so? I have many of my leadership
1:22:53
strategic and so on already recorded. Yeah. Most of it in Arabic, some in English. Yes. And they
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find it in gulf innovation, right? Yes. Now also in the same uh website gulfinnovation.com they
1:23:09
announce my programs uh where and when. Okay. So um frankly I don't know the programs. They set it
1:23:16
for me. I have I say this I I have employees that manage me now. So yes I will welcome them and of
1:23:25
course the other way is for any anyone to invite me. Um I had to refuse a lot because of my heavy
1:23:34
schedule. But um um I want to say something about this please. Um if I train professionally then it
1:23:42
is not free of charge. But if I train an Islamic institution yes then it's free of charge. Okay.
1:23:50
So uh this so it's not marketing. I want to make sure that nobody takes the wrong wrong impression.
1:23:57
So yes, they are welcome to attend. Dr. Taran, I mean I feel we could go on for hours discussing
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this subject but thank you so much for your time once again today and thank you for your
1:24:10
mercy that you don't continue for hours and it was a pleasure to meet you last time and it is
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even more pleasure to meet you again and your audience and inshallah we will be in touch more.
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becomes
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and I want to pose the question to you. Why should we keep up with the news media if almost all of it
1:24:38
is falsehood and disinformation? I think the issue has less to do with information that's out there and more how do you interpret that information? Man is on the religion of his companions. If
1:24:46
his companions are those who are interested in the affairs of the um you will naturally become a man of the um you'll be able to speak about Pakistan despite not being Pakistani. You will
1:24:55
speak about Kashmir though you're not Kashmir. I know it because I'm a man of the um because my network are people of the um the Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. If he's your brother,
1:25:03
you check in on your brother. You ask about your brother. How many of the youth go and learn about the history of these places? How do you know that you're going to live like tomorrow?
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